Здравствуйте, mima, Вы писали:
L>>При всём уважении к Фрейду, он психоаналитик, а не ученый.
M>Он ещё был психиатром и неврологом.
Не спорю. Однако вот что про него пишут в википедии, помимо прочего:
In contrast, Lydiard H. Horton calls Freud's dream theory "dangerously inaccurate"[148] and Eysenck claims that Freud "set psychiatry back one hundred years" and that "what is true in his theories is not new and what is new in his theories is not true",[149] while Peter Medawar, a Nobel Prize winning immunologist, made the oft-quoted remark that psychoanalysis is the "most stupendous intellectual confidence trick of the twentieth century",[150] and Webster calls psychoanalysis "perhaps the most complex and successful" pseudoscience in history.[2] J. Allan Hobson believes that Freud, by rhetorically discrediting 19th century investigators of dreams such as Alfred Maury and the Marquis de Hervey de Saint-Denis at a time when study of the physiology of the brain was only beginning, created "a break, which lasted half a century, in the scientific tradition of dream theory."[151] Crews writes that "Step by step, we are learning that Freud has been the most overrated figure in the entire history of science and medicine—one who wrought immense harm through the propagation of false etiologies, mistaken diagnoses, and fruitless lines of inquiry."[152]
L>>Кроме того, насколько мне известно, некоторые фрейдовские концепции ныне признаны ошибочными.
M>Связанные с цитируемым отрывком?
Чего не знаю, того не знаю, бо не специалист. Наверное, зря я вообще влез в эту дискуссию.
Но если очень надо, могу как-нибудь поинтересоваться мнением своего родственника-психиатра.
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Здравствуйте, Lazytech, Вы писали:
M>>Он ещё был психиатром и неврологом. L>Не спорю. Однако вот что про него пишут в википедии, помимо прочего:
Agreed.
L>Чего не знаю, того не знаю, бо не специалист. Наверное, зря я вообще влез в эту дискуссию. L>Но если очень надо, могу как-нибудь поинтересоваться мнением своего родственника-психиатра.
Совсем не надо, я тут тоже мимоходом
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Кстати, нашел в вики-статье еще кое-что про «успехи» Фрейда на (около)лечебном поприще:
As a medical researcher, Freud was an early user and proponent of cocaine as a stimulant as well as analgesic. He believed that cocaine was a cure for many mental and physical problems, and in his 1884 paper "On Coca" he extolled its virtues. Between 1883 and 1887 he wrote several articles recommending medical applications, including its use as an antidepressant. He narrowly missed out on obtaining scientific priority for discovering its anesthetic properties of which he was aware but had mentioned only in passing.[101] (Karl Koller, a colleague of Freud's in Vienna, received that distinction in 1884 after reporting to a medical society the ways cocaine could be used in delicate eye surgery.) Freud also recommended cocaine as a cure for morphine addiction.[102] He had introduced cocaine to his friend Ernst von Fleischl-Marxow who had become addicted to morphine taken to relieve years of excruciating nerve pain resulting from an infection acquired while performing an autopsy. However, his claim that Fleischl-Marxow was cured of his addiction was premature, though he never acknowledged he had been at fault. Fleischl-Marxow developed an acute case of "cocaine psychosis", and soon returned to using morphine, dying a few years later after more suffering from intolerable pain.[103]
The application as an anesthetic turned out to be one of the few safe uses of cocaine, and as reports of addiction and overdose began to filter in from many places in the world, Freud's medical reputation became somewhat tarnished.[104]
After the "Cocaine Episode"[105] Freud ceased to publicly recommend use of the drug, but continued to take it himself occasionally for depression, migraine and nasal inflammation during the early 1890s, before giving it up in 1896.[106] In this period he came under the influence of his friend and confidant Fliess, who recommended cocaine for the treatment of the so-called nasal reflex neurosis. Fliess, who operated on the noses of several of his own patients, also performed operations on Freud and on one of Freud's patients whom he believed to be suffering from the disorder, Emma Eckstein. However, the surgery proved disastrous.[107]
Some critics[who?] have suggested that much of Freud's early psychoanalytical theory was a by-product of his cocaine use.[108]
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Здравствуйте, Lazytech, Вы писали:
L>Кстати, нашел в вики-статье еще кое-что про «успехи» Фрейда на (около)лечебном поприще:
Ну, мы не это смотрим с современных позиций, в то время было много шлака не только в психотерапии. Заря науки: ещё мало было теорий, с которыми нужно было согласовывать свои гипотезы.
P.S. Последняя фраза убила :-)))
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Здравствуйте, mima, Вы писали:
M>Ну, мы не это смотрим с современных позиций, в то время было много шлака не только в психотерапии. Заря науки: ещё мало было теорий, с которыми нужно было согласовывать свои гипотезы.
Это верно.
M>P.S. Последняя фраза убила
Ага, меня тоже порадовала эта гипотеза.
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Перекуём баги на фичи!
